Finding Fearless

Podge Thomas' Anti-Capitalist Vision: Rethinking Business Beyond Profit

Madeline Reeves Season 5 Episode 4

In today’s episode, Madeline converses with Podge, a Notion consultant, Fractional COO, and the founder of Small Business Co-Pilot. Podge narrates how her journey as a founder, is informed by the awareness of her ancestors' struggle for rights and freedoms she now enjoys, and how she's motivated and humbled by the privilege to live and work in the way she does today. In conversation, Madeline & Podge also delve into her freelance journey and how colonialism and imperialism can manifest within the workplace. Podge emphasizes the importance of developing atmospheres of transparency, collaboration, and learning in the workplace instead of siloed and controlling environments. She further shares her approach to reframing work as a place where individuals learn and grow instead of focusing purely on productivity. Finally, Podge discusses a new guide she has developed that focuses on employee stewardship, hiring, onboarding, managing, and separating as a means to decolonize the workplace.


00:00 Introduction and Guest Background

00:29 Guest's Personal Journey and Ancestry

02:25 Emotional Break and Regrouping

03:27 Guest's Perspective on Privilege and Disadvantage

03:52 Impact of Colonialism and Imperialism on Work Culture

05:33 Guest's Transition from Traditional Employment to Entrepreneurship

06:00 The Role of Notion in Creating Transparent and Collaborative Work Environments

06:16 Discussion on the Need for Change in the Business World

06:53 Critique of Capitalism and Profitability Models

08:20 Challenges with the Traditional 40-hour Work Week

11:05 The Importance of Thought and Discussion in the Workplace

13:37 Decolonizing the Workplace: An Introduction

14:06 Practical Steps to Decolonize the Hiring Process

23:18 Reimagining Power Dynamics in Business

28:46 Transforming the Workplace into a Learning Place

30:27 Aligning Personal Passion with Company Mission

30:54 Creating a Culture of Perfection vs. Learning

31:42 Reframing Work as a Place for Growth

33:00 Rethinking Turnover and Embracing Change

33:40 The Importance of Dignity in Employee Separation

34:09 Employee Stewardship and the Impact on Business

35:20 The Balance of Vulnerability in Leadership

38:04 The Struggles of Fem Identified Leaders

41:21 The Power of Clear Communication and Boundaries

51:58 Decolonizing the Workplace: A Vision for the Future

52:37 The Role of Operations in Employee Stewardship

55:23 Finding Fearlessness in Rest and Reflection


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